"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
09/10/2015 at 10:35 • Filed to: None
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"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
09/10/2015 at 10:35 • Filed to: None | 0
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What to
buy
? It has to be older (=cheap) and EU-market.
Requirements:
A little bit taller than normal, but not a crossover.
Practical
Light weight (important)
Comfortable
Economical
Cheap (€3k? Something like that)
21st century
Reliable
Available in Europe
Gasoline or LPG, no diesel
Preferably a manual transmission, but an automatic would be acceptable.
My best bet so far: 1997-2007 Citroen Berlingo/Peugeot Partner. Any better suggestions out there?
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 10:36 |
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Berlinetta Boxer
RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 10:46 |
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The Berlingo is supposed to be a decently reliable practical ride from all the accounts I’ve read. No performance machine, of course, haha, but it would be great as a DD.
My citroen won't start
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 10:49 |
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Got Carried away: http://www.autoscout24.com/offers/land-ro…
Serious: http://www.autoscout24.com/offers/renault…
http://www.autoscout24.com/offers/citroen…
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duurtlang
> My citroen won't start
09/10/2015 at 10:55 |
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I like that Land Rover. It’s a little bit, well, utilitarian though. I would like to see the look on my mom’s face if I were to show that to her and tell her it’s what I intent her new car to be.
Those two minivans are way too big (cars are very heavily taxed on weight here) and thirsty. Both have questionable reliability as well, although I know from experience that the engine in that Citroën is bulletproof and that mileage is laughably low.
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duurtlang
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
09/10/2015 at 11:00 |
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I asked the shop that sometimes service my cars (they specialize in older French cars) and the guy said they’re absolutely fine in every rational aspect. Not sexy or fast, but great for those who are getting on in age. My parents are in their 60s, so it’s fine. I would skip the base 75 hp 1.4L engine though, due to lack of power while not offering significantly better economy than the 110 hp 16 valve 1.6L.
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My citroen won't start
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:00 |
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Oh, I had no idea, I tried to find a newer Berlingo for under 3k but couldn’t, did find a lot of Mitsubishi Space Stars which look like small Space Wagons. Is the C4 Picasso way out of your budget?
I’m well verse in the AutoScout world from the time I decided to sell two of my cars here and buy a Mondial Quattrovalvole in Switzerland.
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:10 |
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Yeah, 110hp is perfectly adequate. The 1.6L G4ED Alpha II engine in my DD ‘09 Accent hatch has 110hp and I never feel like I need more power with a standard trans.....that being said, my brother and mother both have sedan Accents also with the same 110hp engine, but with AUTO transmissions, and they are slow as hell...I imagine the performance numbers aren’t that much different in reality, but the auto really saps the power, it seems like.
LongbowMkII
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:14 |
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Volvo V70 XC/XC70?
Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:15 |
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Edit: Doh just realised you said no diesel. Not sure if I'm remembering correctly but the 1.6 hdi has known issues so keep an eye out for that, otherwise the Berlingo fits. Maybe check out typical MPVs like the Ford C Max etc.
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duurtlang
> LongbowMkII
09/10/2015 at 11:20 |
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Great cars (preferably as a V), but way too large. I’ll show you their current car (internet picture). I barely managed to convince them that the low running costs of that Suzuki are not worth the horrible out of town driving dynamics. I live 2 hours from them, and that car basically stops them from visiting me as it’s too uncomfortable on a 2 hour trip. When they go on holiday they take a
bus
. Yet, they own the Suzuki for 5 years now. There’s no way those penny pinchers are going to buy a huge gas hog.
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duurtlang
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
09/10/2015 at 11:22 |
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I read the same thing. The early hdi engines aren’t the best. The gas engines from that era seem to be fine though.
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LongbowMkII
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:22 |
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yeah i guess they’re neither lightweight nor economical.
KirkyV
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:30 |
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Honestly, I’d probably go with the Berlingo considering the criteria, but there are quite a few decent Fusions in your price range:
http://www.autoscout24.com/results?cid=0&…
No idea if they’re any good, beyond the fact that a bestilted Fiesta can’t really be that bad, but it’s the only other common, old, moderately tall car I could think of.
Steve in Manhattan
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:38 |
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As Jeremy and Richard showed us, the answer is Fiat Multipla.
TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:44 |
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Berlingoes are awesome!
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duurtlang
> KirkyV
09/10/2015 at 11:45 |
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There’s also the Hyundai Matrix. With its Pininfarina badge it’ll look good next to my 306 convertible and 406 coupe (and former 205 CTI). /s
I have no idea of any of those cars are any good though. As far as I know the gasoline Berlingo is somewhat bullet proof and has 306 underpinnings, meaning I could probably swap in nice seats or something like that.
AndyG_UK
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:46 |
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Nothing older and French, or German, or Italian for that matter, something like a Yaris or Corolla Verso or my mates folks have just bought an 08 Nissan Note, seems a nice enough car for the old dears, plenty of space, pretty frugal as well.
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duurtlang
> Steve in Manhattan
09/10/2015 at 11:47 |
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That’s an interesting suggestion. I do question my parents’ willingness to even consider one though.
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Steve in Manhattan
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 11:52 |
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And who can blame them?
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duurtlang
> AndyG_UK
09/10/2015 at 11:58 |
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My grandfather (b1925) owns a regular Yaris, which my dad sometimes drives my grandparents around in and is thus a reference point he uses. It’s a bit too small, but otherwise perfect. Soul sucking dull to drive/look at/sit in, but that’s not the main point. Yaris Verso is out due to my parents having eyes (ugliest 21st century car available). The Corolla Verso is an interesting suggestion though. It’s on the expensive side for what you get in my opinion, but worth considering assuming I manage to overcome my deep rooted hate for anything Corolla (fwd). Advantage is that they’re exclusively driven by the elderly and tend to be taken care off properly.
Klaus Schmoll
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 12:21 |
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Why not a Kangoo? http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/deta…
Svend
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 12:45 |
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Though it’s probably the only Skoda I don’t like the look of, a colleague at work has one and he loves it. He’s getting on a bit and loves the comfort and space which is great when he takes his wife and her friends out for lunch or bingo or whatever older people do these days.
Patrick Hinshaw
> duurtlang
09/10/2015 at 14:07 |
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A guy that I used to work with swore by the Touran.
http://www.autoscout24.com/results?cid=0&…
I think he had owned like 2 or 3. He really thought I should get one when I was in the market for a new car a few years ago. I’m no expert on them but think it matches pretty well with the required specs you listed.
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duurtlang
> Patrick Hinshaw
09/10/2015 at 14:17 |
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The concept is right. However, call me paranoid, but I don’t trust 21st century VW reliability and maintenance costs.
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Patrick Hinshaw
> duurtlang
09/11/2015 at 00:57 |
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Maybe a little paranoid yeah : ) Although on the flip side of that coin there was also a guy at the same job with a newish (this was 2012 or so) Passat wagon and he was on his third gearbox within two years (both were replaced under warranty), so I understand where you're coming from!
MultiplaOrgasms
> duurtlang
09/13/2015 at 14:05 |
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Mazda 2
Fjord Fusion
Fiat Idea
Lancia Musa
Suzuki Ignis
Suzuki SWAGon R+
Opel SWAGila
Opel Meriva (don’t do it)
Audi A2
Golf Minus
Honda JazzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz
Toyota Yaris
Datsun Note (very not comfortable but reliable)
Lifted MINI
Peugeot 1007 (lol maximum nope)
Renault Modus (same as a Note but less hideous)
Many, many more tall hatchbacks
BATC42
> duurtlang
09/17/2015 at 19:34 |
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The Berlingo/Partner is usally quite bulletproof. Have you thought about a same era 307/C4 ? They’re not great cars, but they’re still good. Or you could maybe find a 1st gen 308 (my father has a 2012 one, with close to 200k on it, never had any problem with it, it has the 1.6 HDi though).
Here’s Leboncoin, though you’ll mostly find Diesels in there as it’s a French website...
http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/84794…
mobile.de
has some crazy cheap ones listed though
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duurtlang
> BATC42
09/18/2015 at 02:28 |
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I’m slightly afraid of the 307/C4, as I’ve heard they’re not nearly as bulletproof as the earlier Peugeots. Nor as good to drive, but that’s not an issue for the desired goal here. They are a bit on the tall side, so from a practical point of view a 307 SW could work. 308 is too new, and I don’t trust the Mini engine.
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BATC42
> duurtlang
09/18/2015 at 08:07 |
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Depends on which engine you get. They were the first with the 1.6 I think, so they have their flaws, but the earlier one should be better. My father got a few of them (3 or 4 I think), and got them changed at 80k never had a problem with them (they were all diesels though).
The Berlingo/Partner is probably the best bet though (skip the Kangoo, it’s not on par with it).